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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 607 for the 31st of May

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2020 richardsaunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia on the last day of

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autumn well it officially in Australia

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this is the last day of autumn tomorrow

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is officially the first day of winter

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for some reason Australia works that way

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coming up on this week's show we're

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going to be chatting to Abhijit chunder

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from new delhi india he's going to be

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telling us about the covert 19 situation

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there in regards to the widespread use

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of homeopathy and here in Australia

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various websites namely homeopathy Plus

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I've been making much of the fact that

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India are doing extremely well

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fighting covert 19 obviously because

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they use homeopathy we'll try to get to

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the bottom of that with AB Ajit

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following that it's susan gerbic with a

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report about a sort of a sting operation

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on yet another person claiming to have

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mystical psychic powers this time this

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psychic the so-called psychic was in New

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Zealand and Susan was part of an online

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session with this psychic what can we

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discover about conspiracy theories and

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covert 19 then we have our very own dr.

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Polly with a random rant dr. Polly with

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a very important announcement about the

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upcoming skeptic on the Australian

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skeptics National Convention and how you

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no matter where you are around the world

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can join in then to round off the show i

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chat to immunology student Catriona new

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and robinson about some of the more

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common myths and misunderstandings and

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miss concepts lots of myths there about

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vaccinations and this interview is with

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thanks to the point of science

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organization stay tuned at the end of

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the show for more announcements from me

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and cook up some breakfast

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curry versed meat and with

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sauerkraut and spargle hmm they're all

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sounds very Mecca well I do that I hope

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you enjoy the skeptic zone

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joining me now all the way from New

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Delhi in India it's a beautiful place

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it's the host of the rational podcast

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ABBA Jeet chunder Hey hi how are you

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doing I'm doing very well and Australia

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isn't doing too bad all sorts of things

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are being well unrestricted I guess

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you'd say now I've made contact with you

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there in India cuz you were a guest on

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our show some weeks ago when you were

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telling us about your podcast but I've

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contacted you today to talk about the

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ongoing claims that have been made for

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the ongoing success apparently of

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isn't it wonderful really it's just so

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good to hear and I refer to the website

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of homeopathy plus here in Australia

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which basically says Wow India is doing

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the government is supplying the

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population with homeopathic treatment

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day of recording this which is the 30th

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of May well according to the Indian

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government there are only 4971 deaths of

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jutsu cove at 19 and I must admit to

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being well a little bit skeptical of

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those numbers yeah so am i and there's

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good reason to be we don't really know

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the exact numbers because well first of

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people who are not being tested first of

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all and not a lot of people who are not

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being hospitalized all and a lot of

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people whose stories are not being told

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the journal science they have a story of

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coronavirus case where a gentleman

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called Nasim Qureshi he suddenly

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there and Mumbai is one of the hardest

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hit cities in the country and it was one

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papa well actually that was Kerala but

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Mumbai and Maharashtra has been one of

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the top states and cities who have been

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are out there who have been sick who may

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have gotten better who may have died due

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to this infection and have just not been

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tested they have not been hospitalized

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mmm and then numbers just haven't been

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counted so we really and there's no real

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real numbers are because well the

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numbers are as they are it's controlled

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know what they're up to so there's good

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reason to be skeptical yeah you just

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don't know what the actual situation is

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case cases have gone over a hundred

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thousand yes across the country and we I

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number is accurate if that is a number

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that we can trust because because of the

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migrant situation now and things are

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rising the lockdowns are lifting people

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market the other day and it was just

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like a regular day at the market and on

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the streets there was traffic there was

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red lights there's a regular number of

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people out and about except they were

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being locked down as much before it's

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numbers are still right shooting up at

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higher and higher numbers every day yeah

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and more and more restrictions are being

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lifted so yeah the situation is not good

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the migrant workers who have been

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trudging home and getting killed on

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highways the last couple of months are

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now going to be reaching home a lot

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quicker some of them might be carrying

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something and once it hits rural India

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where medical where the medical

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infrastructure is almost non-existent

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then it will go out of control and but

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numbers because who's going to go out in

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the middle of the villages testing

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people and taking records yeah well a

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majority of the Indian population you

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make a very good point and it's

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Australia saying that they find it very

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encouraging because the Indian

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government promote the use of homeopathy

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but I have to think with the population

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of India and the size of India even if

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the government did have something

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anything that they could get out to the

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population to fight this virus how on

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earth could they go about doing it well

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the government in telegin I have been

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homeopathic doses but those is a

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homeopathic here and have gone out and

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started distributing them and I think on

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the very first day they distributed

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11,500 doses mm to over three and a half

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thousand people and that is of course a

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tiny fraction of the number of people in

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that state yeah yeah but and there are

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people who are going to get it as much

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as they possibly can I mean they I have

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seen people in my neighborhood shops who

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go up and asking for arsenic an album 30

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people it's it's it's both a push and up

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situation so the there are some states

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they're promoting left right and center

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so it's a portion of poll it's not about

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distributing really because we really

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can't distribute it to the furthest

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points in our country but whatever the

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people especially in the villages and

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the distant villages can get at the

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nearest feed or town they will get

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whatever they can yeah and whether

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that's hydroxychloroquine whether that's

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arsenic um an album

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whether that's some Isle Vedic

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preparations like chauhan crush which

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I'm hoping to write about soon mm-hmm

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it's they'll pick anything in fact even

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hydroxychloroquine which Trump has been

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you know talking about a lot is

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something that a lot of people in India

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are taking very seriously they think

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it's a perfectly safe medication to take

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but we know that the recent the most

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recent studies I think on the skeptics

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of the recent podcasts and they said

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there has been a meta-analysis done of

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quite a large number of patients and

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hydroxychloroquine has been found to

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have absolutely no effect no positive

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19 now a vegeta I was just looking at

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homeopathy plus and they have a page

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there called a short history of

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homeopathy in India and it says last

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reviewed on the 25th of May whatever

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homeopathy has flourished in India with

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broad usage and acceptance across all

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sectors of the population homeopathy

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lifetime and gained an early footing

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with amateur use by civilians

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missionaries and the military then it

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government recognized homeopathy as a

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national system of medicine and since

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then has largely funded its training and

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distribution currently India has over

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two hundred thousand registered

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homeopathic doctors more than 200

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homeopathic medical colleges research

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and postgraduate institutes and numerous

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dispensaries now it sounds to me that

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homeopathy is really and completely

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entrenched in Indian society it is in

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fact I mean considering that it came to

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India so soon after its invention it was

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really something new it was modern it

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was the new iPhone but the but there but

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we've had like some of our greatest

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freedom freedom fighters rabindranath

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tagore who is basically who's got his

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picture up in almost every bengali

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household including mine yeah who is a

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was a great literary figure and

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prominent people in india who who were

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freedom fighters who were politicians

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who were you know prominent

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personalities they have all they were

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all you know shouting the praises of

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homeopathy from the rooftops well and

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it's become and it's become a part of

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our culture now because it's been around

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for so long that people equate it with

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Ayurveda as I've mentioned before for

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some reason I can't figure out how they

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managed to you know tie those things

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together what string they use but it is

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deeply entrenched in the culture of

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India it is a part of our it is things

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that we have taken for granted because

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as children we are just brought up with

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it we are given homeopathic medication

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as kids hmm and Ayurvedic medicines I

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was I was forced to have chew and brush

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when I was a kid just to you know to

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whatever it does I'm not really sure

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what it does but I will I am

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investigating that currently but yeah so

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it's it's been

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so entrenched in our culture that and we

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have so taken it for granted that people

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don't even think twice about it like I

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was I was on the skeptoid podcast you

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know on the 13th podcast math I'm

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podcast marathon yes that was good fun

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both on there and during my half an hour

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with Brian I did mention that especially

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I mean it's not just in India but

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homeopathy have become a part of our

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everyday lives where we've taken it for

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granted it is almost like a religious

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belief because we are literally

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indoctrinated it into it from the time

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we were children yeah we were brought

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into it our parents have taken it for

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granted they said if you have this then

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you take that preparation if you have

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this thing I'll give you this pill I

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have taken it like I have I have taken

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homeopathy for a lot of my life and

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without questioning it whatsoever and

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most people don't so which is why I

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think it's very important for people to

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speak up about it now there are a lot of

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doctors there are a lot of scientists

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sceptical thinkers people who have

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encountered very recently who are trying

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to spread awareness about the truth

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behind homeopathy and how its complete

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quackery there's a lot of pushback but

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it's it's about damn time we did I

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couldn't agree more average it I

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couldn't agree more

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now before we go how are you going with

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the be rational podcast well things have

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article and a podcast episode on

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immunity boosting no unfortunately it

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was it took quite a gap because my day

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job unfortunately it takes a lot of a

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lot of my time but I have to pay the

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bills right so but it's but whether it's

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a long period between episodes or a

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short one either way it's going strong I

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am managing to get in touch with people

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you know really wonderful people who

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have been getting in touch with over the

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last few weeks

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who are also Indians who are passionate

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about this topic who are trying to talk

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sense into the populace about quackery

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and alternate alternative medicine and

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hopefully I'm getting to start a few

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interesting conversations here and there

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so lots more coming soon thank you very

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much for having me on I just I really

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appreciate it and everybody to everybody

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listening please come to the be rational

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calm or listen to the rational podcast

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wherever you get it and join in the

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conversation so there you are folks

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there's the clue the--well have a listen

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to be rational

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well average it all the way from the

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beautiful New Delhi in India thank you

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very much it is my pleasure Richard

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until next time

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today this is dr. Karl Karl Christmas he

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proud to be a skeptic and you can find

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out more about me at dr. Karl calm and

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I think we need to think

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here's susan gerbic and joining me now

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on the line all the way from beautiful

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Salinas California once again and it's

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about time its susan gerbic hello hi

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Richard hide listeners nice to see you

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once again ah now I was all ready to put

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the show to bed I thought great the

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show's all done this week but no late

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last night an emergency message from

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susan gerbic came my way about another

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sting operation with a suitably crazy

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name what's the name of this operation

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this is operation purple pinecone pie

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better known as OPP P hang on operation

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purple pinecone pie yes

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oh well P now this revolves around a so

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called and I always try to use that term

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a so called psychic this one is in New

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Zealand she goes by the name of Jeanette

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Wilson and it's probably her real name

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now I have I haven't exactly dealt with

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Jeanette Wilson in the past rusty

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certainly has come to my attention many

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years ago when I visited New Zealand the

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local skeptics there know if I remember

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correctly even maybe one of the TV

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stations gave me some raw tape and

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footage of Jeanette Wilson doing a live

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psychic stage show act

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routine which is right out of the book

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the same sort of stock stuff we've seen

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for years and years and years nothing

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special there but apparently she's sort

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of well moved on a bit yes now she is

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more into the healing part of the

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mediumship she still can since dead

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people she says

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and communicate with them but she's

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teaching people how to communicate with

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her dead and I attended one of her zum

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meetings a couple days ago so what

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happened was one of the board members

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from the New Zealand skeptics Russell he

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had said that he had been getting emails

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from Janette Wilson from time to time

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because he had attended one of her

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healing events as an observer of course

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for the New Zealand skeptics and they

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were able to write about it and she now

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has a Wikipedia page and a lot of great

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information on it but anyway so Russell

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had asked you know it would be really

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interesting if we went to one of her

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events there's one later tomorrow and I

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said well let's do it

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we thought she was gonna be speaking to

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the dead because that was the kind of

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thing she used to do run and so we

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prepared characters from Facebook and

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you know of course we have a stock of

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characters that we can you know

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depending on who's going to go see the

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medium we would fit a character to go

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with that person so we bought tickets to

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go it was a 10 person event and we had

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several tickets we purchased to go and

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sit in on her event on a Facebook live

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it was a private group but we were able

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to record and we also at the end of it

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we were we went into a zoom call so all

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of us were able to see each other and we

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were able to interact with her and see

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each other now unfortunately for me I'm

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in California and this took place at 8

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p.m. New Zealand time which was 1:00

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a.m. for me oh well so I had to sit

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through about two and a half hours of

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her meditating and so on she didn't

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speak to the dead what she was doing was

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she was teaching people how to how to

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get in the right mindset so we could

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contact our own dead family members wow

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that's that's pretty dramatic but from

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what I understand that these days if she

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doesn't so much do the simple pure

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talking to dead routine she seems to

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have moved more into giving health

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advice and

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health advice around kovat 19 what was

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some of the things that she was telling

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the group right so we have recorded all

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of this but what I'm going to do is read

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a little bit off the transcripts and

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this is quite surprising about two hours

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15 minutes into it we met in a zoom room

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with all the other participants in the

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call and she kind of asked everybody so

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how was that for everybody did you guys

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have a good time you know and and so I

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asked a question and what I had asked

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her was if you know I said I'm from

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America and we have had over a hundred

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thousand deaths from kovat 19 and I was

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wondering which she foresaw for kovat 19

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and you know potential vaccination

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vaccines because the word is that

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Jeanette is anti VAX and anti 5g and she

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sells like she's involved somehow in a

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company that's selling some supplements

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are some products mm-hmm and I know that

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she has been saying she's not anti

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vaccine and so I wanted to see if we

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could get on the record from her from

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her mouth directly from her what her

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thoughts were on vaccines so that's why

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I asked the question the way I did and I

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was in character so I didn't challenge

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her too much but somewhat so so

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according to the transcripts from the

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video we have some of the things she was

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telling me were that this was a much

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bigger thing that was going to happen

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and the deaths we've had right now were

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supposed to be so much bigger and now

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there it's gonna go away really soon and

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that she says she believes that God

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created this body and God created this

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body with an immune system so she's not

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a believer in vaccines she says I'm not

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anti backs but I'm really good I'm

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really Pro good science really good

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science and vaccines is something I've

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studied now for about twenty years so

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I'm quite knowledgeable about vaccines

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and what's required isn't a vaccine well

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they let me still be that that that's

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that's very interesting because that

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just sounds like the typical rhetoric

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and evac sir first of all saying they're

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not Annie VAX that's a big red flag if

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someone walks around saying I'm not

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really an T VAX well that's a dead

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giveaway that they really are and Eve

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act and then she says she's really Pro

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good science really good science in

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other words she's Pro the science that

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can conforms with her conspiracy

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theories I would dare say and that's

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sort of backed up by the fact that she's

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saying that something much worse was

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going to happen but it was thwarted it

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means that she's thinking there's people

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pulling strings behind the scenes with

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this virus I would dare say right she

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doesn't have any experience I mean maybe

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she has been reading and talking about

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vaccines for twenty years that's

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possible she she's a bake manager I mean

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she doesn't have any degrees in science

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or virology or anything of that kind or

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if she does she doesn't talk about it I

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mean I just thought that was really odd

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that she thought she was an expert on

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vaccines and she was able to talk about

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it in that way she says that it's gonna

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take about two years to develop a

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vaccine but she says that the the

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disease has already mutated over 30

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times so if we were to create a vaccine

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now for the version of the back of the

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virus we're seeing now it won't be

545
00:25:20,409 --> 00:25:18,080
useful because it will have already

546
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:20,419
mutated so much that we won't be able to

547
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,330
use a vaccine created today on the virus

548
00:25:29,589 --> 00:25:26,720
that we'll see in a 18 months to two

549
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:29,599
years oh well I mean it's hard to really

550
00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:31,970
nail that one down it depends on what

551
00:25:35,379 --> 00:25:33,320
happens with the virus and where it goes

552
00:25:36,849 --> 00:25:35,389
but I from what I understand because

553
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:36,859
I've had a quick look at some of the

554
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,809
transcripts myself she is under the

555
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:40,960
impression that this virus will

556
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:44,450
miraculously disappear in the next few

557
00:25:49,509 --> 00:25:46,369
months it'll be it'll vanish without

558
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,519
vaccines absolutely she says that it she

559
00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:52,159
does believe that it is man-made what

560
00:25:56,139 --> 00:25:54,200
she says is that it was released through

561
00:25:57,609 --> 00:25:56,149
by accident wasn't intentionally

562
00:25:59,769 --> 00:25:57,619
released but people shouldn't have been

563
00:26:02,109 --> 00:25:59,779
doing that research anyway it's banned

564
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:02,119
there's an international law that banned

565
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:06,129
it back in 1934 I think it was 34 or 43

566
00:26:12,940 --> 00:26:09,289
there it was like a worldwide moratorium

567
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,950
on germ warfare and somebody was doing

568
00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:15,200
some germ warfare

569
00:26:19,629 --> 00:26:17,240
and that's gonna unfold over the next

570
00:26:23,019 --> 00:26:19,639
little while so apparently we're gonna

571
00:26:24,879 --> 00:26:23,029
learn a lot bit more now apparently I it

572
00:26:27,850 --> 00:26:24,889
turns out that she's a big supporter of

573
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:27,860
one Donald Trump President of the United

574
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:30,289
States yes that was quite hard for me to

575
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:32,529
stay in character when she revealed that

576
00:26:38,049 --> 00:26:36,230
what she said and I quote but some

577
00:26:40,659 --> 00:26:38,059
people like me for this and some people

578
00:26:42,490 --> 00:26:40,669
don't if you told me 12 months ago I

579
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:42,500
would like Donald Trump I'd have said

580
00:26:46,539 --> 00:26:44,210
not in a million years the man's an

581
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,549
idiot I made so many jokes about him

582
00:26:51,009 --> 00:26:47,840
he's now my hero

583
00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:51,019
he's one very very smart man and he's

584
00:26:55,149 --> 00:26:52,789
doing a hell of a lot behind the scenes

585
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:55,159
he's seen through dr. Anthony foul she

586
00:27:00,250 --> 00:26:57,230
he sorted out the World Health

587
00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:00,260
Organization he's stopping the 5g he's

588
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,899
stopping mandatory vaccines all the key

589
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:04,880
things that need to happen he's on to it

590
00:27:09,639 --> 00:27:07,490
a lot more than most people realize so

591
00:27:11,889 --> 00:27:09,649
some of the other things she was talking

592
00:27:13,629 --> 00:27:11,899
about was that there's gonna be a lot

593
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:13,639
that's gonna be revealed in time and she

594
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:17,350
had a lot of conspiracy theories about

595
00:27:22,570 --> 00:27:19,820
that the world is being controlled by

596
00:27:24,490 --> 00:27:22,580
she says 300 people basically are in

597
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,500
charge of the world and these people are

598
00:27:29,379 --> 00:27:26,240
going to be exposed and their nefarious

599
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:29,389
doings of being exposed as well it's

600
00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:31,010
gonna be nice but it's gonna be for the

601
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:32,870
ultimate good and she's gonna have all

602
00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:35,240
she says it's all gonna be revealed soon

603
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:37,190
so it seems to me like a shopping list

604
00:27:41,649 --> 00:27:40,190
there of stock standard conspiracy

605
00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:41,659
theories one world government the

606
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:44,750
Illuminati people behind the scenes it

607
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:46,610
sounds like she's been diving down the

608
00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:49,250
rabbit hole Oh big-time she she I don't

609
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,080
think they make ladders long enough to

610
00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:53,120
get her out of this one she said that

611
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:55,190
the disease is gonna basically just go

612
00:27:59,919 --> 00:27:58,010
away now I'm questioning her I just I

613
00:28:02,169 --> 00:27:59,929
would ask a question and then I'd remain

614
00:28:05,230 --> 00:28:02,179
silent and she just kept filling the

615
00:28:08,769 --> 00:28:05,240
space our exchange went on for 30 16

616
00:28:10,539 --> 00:28:08,779
minutes long and I well you have to

617
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:10,549
remember it was about 3:15 in the

618
00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:12,950
morning for me I was really punchy and I

619
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:15,980
was really tired so I can't I did ask

620
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,720
her you know where's this disease gonna

621
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:19,279
go cuz she said it was just gonna go

622
00:28:22,330 --> 00:28:19,700
away

623
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:22,340
and she says she said to me the nature

624
00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:24,529
of the virus the nature of the virus is

625
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:26,990
that it wants to live yeah we already

626
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:28,910
got 30 mutations it

627
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:30,950
the host dies the virus doesn't want to

628
00:28:35,170 --> 00:28:33,170
live and go on so the virus is already

629
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:35,180
mutated what's happening in the states

630
00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:36,770
is a lot of your deaths are being

631
00:28:41,890 --> 00:28:39,020
reported as Cova deaths even if they're

632
00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:41,900
not okay again this is typical

633
00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:43,940
conspiratorial thinking absolutely out

634
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:46,160
of the box out of the book reading off

635
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:48,380
the script conspiracy theories right but

636
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:49,970
she has some good suggestions of how we

637
00:28:56,020 --> 00:28:53,810
can we can we can save some lives oh

638
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:56,030
what's that right she says in the

639
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,650
meantime it's about bolstering the

640
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,080
immune system and there's a really good

641
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:01,520
product if you're worried about yourself

642
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:03,920
or somebody within the family it's a

643
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:07,220
product called h fi and it's produced in

644
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:08,570
america and it's from a company called

645
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:13,190
UNS ACTA and snarking me I had asked her

646
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:14,630
to spell it because I went to make sure

647
00:29:22,030 --> 00:29:17,900
I had that down and she said e in the AC

648
00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:22,040
ta and she would be happy to facilitate

649
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:25,550
me receiving this if I wanted to because

650
00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:27,290
she has connections

651
00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:31,190
she says that the virus attaches to your

652
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:35,180
lungs so this product what it does is it

653
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:38,930
lines the lungs making it resistant to

654
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,390
something attaching to it and it's the

655
00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:43,760
best preventive that she can recommend

656
00:29:48,130 --> 00:29:46,070
and she brings it in from America to New

657
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:48,140
Zealand okay so this is some sort of

658
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:49,970
supplement aware that she thinks is the

659
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:53,360
best thing you can take to help prevent

660
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:55,370
kovat 19 it's amazing that the whole

661
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,740
world isn't using this product right I

662
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:00,080
asked her about that I said I've never

663
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:01,970
heard of it why aren't we talking about

664
00:30:06,790 --> 00:30:04,910
it here and again I reiterated that we

665
00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:06,800
have over a hundred thousand people who

666
00:30:11,290 --> 00:30:08,360
have died in the United States

667
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:11,300
why do we not know about this and she

668
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:12,760
just shrugged her shoulders and said

669
00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:15,290
she's like well it'll become clear

670
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:18,440
eventually all right so it seems to me

671
00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:20,840
to sort of sum this all up it's somebody

672
00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:22,280
who claims that they have psychic powers

673
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:25,750
who can speak to the dead now

674
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:28,310
fancies themselves to be more of a

675
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:30,710
healer but basically when you get down

676
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:34,310
to it appears to be anti VAX anti 5g and

677
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:36,290
into conspiracy theories like the

678
00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:38,180
one-world government and the virus was

679
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:40,160
man-made do you think that's a fair

680
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:42,620
summing up I think that's a pretty

681
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:44,930
coming up I think I would add though

682
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,590
that I got on her got on the record what

683
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:50,240
Dateline were talking about you know

684
00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:52,580
what timeline cuz again I wanted to make

685
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:54,380
sure I knew I was recording and I knew I

686
00:30:59,410 --> 00:30:58,010
wanted to get on on video what time she

687
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,420
said and I said is this gonna take about

688
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:02,720
18 months and she said no it'll be by

689
00:31:07,270 --> 00:31:05,150
the end of the year and I said oh and

690
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:07,280
then we'll have a our second wave she

691
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:09,410
says no there will be no second wave

692
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:12,380
it's going to quote unquote and cheese

693
00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:15,700
or little finger quotes all go away

694
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:18,740
miraculously and that you know we'll

695
00:31:22,299 --> 00:31:21,170
know soon because it'll all be gone by

696
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:22,309
the end of the year and it's not coming

697
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:22,640
back

698
00:31:29,049 --> 00:31:25,850
Wow that they're pretty familiar sounds

699
00:31:32,049 --> 00:31:29,059
like some Donald J Trump talking but it

700
00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:32,059
they're they're remarkable claims now

701
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:34,520
that you've got this and you have a

702
00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:37,640
transcript of some of the more well far

703
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:39,620
fetched or interesting or possibly

704
00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:42,260
health-related claims there what's the

705
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:44,540
next step apart from appearing on the

706
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:46,910
skeptic zone right so I'm releasing it

707
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:49,640
to the story to the skeptic zone first

708
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:53,000
so you have four shot at it and I have

709
00:31:59,010 --> 00:31:55,400
also notified everybody I can think of

710
00:32:02,500 --> 00:31:59,020
in New Zealand as far as the media and

711
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:02,510
I'm hoping that we'll be able to get the

712
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:04,610
New Zealand authorities involved because

713
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,140
obviously I don't think this is

714
00:32:10,510 --> 00:32:08,000
something that's okay she has followers

715
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:10,520
that are hanging on to her advice and

716
00:32:15,070 --> 00:32:13,130
they may take this supplement thinking

717
00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:15,080
they're you know they're going to keep

718
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:17,660
Cove it away and it's not so much New

719
00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:19,910
Zealanders I'm worried about because the

720
00:32:25,270 --> 00:32:21,740
the rate over there is very low but in

721
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:25,280
America I mean it's really awful and she

722
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,830
has fans and supporters here in America

723
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:30,559
and this is very dangerous things for

724
00:32:36,299 --> 00:32:33,740
people to be somebody who's I mean this

725
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:36,309
isn't Joe down the street this is a

726
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:39,140
person who has some sort of authority in

727
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:42,110
the community of well psychics or

728
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:43,610
whatever and I think that she's not

729
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:45,530
being challenged nobody on the call

730
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:48,050
challenged her nobody said a word it was

731
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:49,910
just me talking to her back and forth

732
00:32:55,419 --> 00:32:53,110
for 16 minutes and I thought to myself

733
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:55,429
these people who are listening in

734
00:32:58,860 --> 00:32:55,990
probably

735
00:33:00,840 --> 00:32:58,870
bully would take this supplement well

736
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:00,850
you make a very good point there Susan

737
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:03,040
it's not just New Zealand once she gets

738
00:33:07,049 --> 00:33:05,260
on the camera there on the internet and

739
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:07,059
she broadcasts or gets clients from

740
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:08,650
around the world it becomes a very

741
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:11,650
interesting international situation but

742
00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:13,390
I think the people in New Zealand should

743
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:15,100
be taking a very close look at some of

744
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:17,410
these claims especially where it relates

745
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:20,590
to health and and and bizarre silly

746
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,410
statements like a lot of the deaths

747
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:25,360
being reported aren't actually death

748
00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:27,240
from kovat after all I mean this is just

749
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:29,950
wacky conspiracy theories but thank you

750
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:32,110
for staying up so late into the night to

751
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:34,780
to sit through all this Susan I really

752
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:36,910
appreciate it and I want to thank the

753
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:40,080
New Zealand skeptics for inviting me to

754
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:44,580
look into this and to facilitate me

755
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:46,690
being on the call with me and being

756
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:49,240
being with me it was a lot of fun we had

757
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:50,950
a lot of fun chatting in the side and if

758
00:33:55,049 --> 00:33:52,510
people want to join the girl of skeptics

759
00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:55,059
and more opportunities like this please

760
00:33:59,790 --> 00:33:57,160
let me know I'm always doing something

761
00:34:01,440 --> 00:33:59,800
well let's keep an eye on the situation

762
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:01,450
but for now Susan go back all the way

763
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:02,770
over there in beautiful Salinas

764
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:05,950
California thank you once again thank

765
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:07,610
you so much Richard

766
00:34:18,539 --> 00:34:15,690
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775
00:35:00,850 --> 00:35:06,000
with dr. Paulie

776
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:08,680
well folks joining me now all the way

777
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:10,430
from the beautiful Gulf Coast is our

778
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:12,980
very own dr. Polly with an important

779
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:15,740
update to this year's skeptic on Pauley

780
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:20,780
hello I'm doing very well and just in

781
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:23,690
the last last day in fact some very

782
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:25,670
important information has come from the

783
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:27,980
Gold Coast regarding this year's skeptic

784
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:30,980
on what's the news what's the deal yes

785
00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:35,480
so we have been waiting to see how

786
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:38,600
things are gonna play out with with

787
00:35:45,790 --> 00:35:42,320
obviously covered 19 and whether or not

788
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:45,800
we run a face-to-face or online or mixed

789
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:49,660
conference and we put out a survey and

790
00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:52,130
you know ask the skeptical community

791
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:57,160
what they thought mmm we had a really

792
00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:00,880
overwhelming positive and supportive

793
00:36:07,330 --> 00:36:04,280
response so thank you to everyone who

794
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:07,340
completed the very short survey the vast

795
00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:11,510
majority of people were in leaning

796
00:36:17,110 --> 00:36:14,590
towards online or a mixed approach and

797
00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:17,120
most of those people that had put down

798
00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:18,980
that they would be happy to come either

799
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:20,900
face-to-face or online in the mixed

800
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:24,320
approach stipulated that only if it was

801
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:27,830
safe to do so given that things looking

802
00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:30,800
good here but restrictions are easing we

803
00:36:34,570 --> 00:36:32,780
don't know whether or not in October

804
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:34,580
we're going to have a second wave I

805
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:37,900
sincerely hope not yeah but

806
00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:39,890
unfortunately you know my chakras are

807
00:36:48,970 --> 00:36:45,500
not aligned so my psychic abilities shot

808
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:48,980
at the moment so we thought that the

809
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:51,680
best option would be to cut our losses

810
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:54,890
and go for an online conference this

811
00:37:00,520 --> 00:36:57,050
year some might even say it's

812
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:00,530
unprecedented Australian skeptics to do

813
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:04,220
so it will be a first yeah and I'm

814
00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:08,570
really excited to be able to offer that

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to not just me but the whole team to

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offer that to our skeptical community

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00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:16,970
hopefully those that might not have been

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00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:18,530
able to make it all the way up to the

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Gold Coast this year

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or living especially those in rural and

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00:37:30,130 --> 00:37:27,050
remote areas and even overseas we'll be

822
00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:30,140
able to chime in and the plan is to keep

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00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:33,080
the costs as low as possible the only

824
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thing that the cost will be covering

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hopefully will be a cancellation fee all

826
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:40,850
the wonderful wind used we had bought

827
00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:43,670
because we were too organized we booked

828
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,620
everything and then about a month later

829
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:50,240
it hit Australia and we went into

830
00:37:59,470 --> 00:37:58,160
lockdown so yes well we should have been

831
00:38:02,710 --> 00:37:59,480
listening to all those psychics who

832
00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:02,720
warned ourselves the pandemic but but I

833
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:05,780
mean but be that as it may I think now

834
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:07,370
for the rest of the world and all the

835
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:09,110
people listening to the podcast in all

836
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:10,310
the different countries around the world

837
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:13,310
this is your opportunity now to be part

838
00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:15,290
of the Australian skeptics National

839
00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:16,460
Convention and I think that's very

840
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exciting

841
00:38:24,430 --> 00:38:20,780
yeah I agree I'm you know there's always

842
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:24,440
a silver lining to all things what if

843
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,890
the amazing thing that things that has

844
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:30,560
come out from even Algol Co skeptics

845
00:38:35,290 --> 00:38:33,410
moving to online sort of out a pub made

846
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:35,300
for now online now they're no longer

847
00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:37,430
skeptics in the pub they're skeptics on

848
00:38:41,590 --> 00:38:39,980
the couch it's been able to you know do

849
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:41,600
it online and and so we're getting

850
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:43,610
people tuning in from all over Australia

851
00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:48,140
and people that normally want to come

852
00:38:54,850 --> 00:38:51,400
but can't make it because of distance or

853
00:38:58,990 --> 00:38:54,860
timing kids all that sort of things so

854
00:39:03,130 --> 00:38:59,000
that accessibility is a real plus and we

855
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:03,140
will be trying to come up with some ways

856
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:05,690
that we can still create that feeling of

857
00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:08,330
community dream skeptic on which is

858
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:11,030
really one of the big pluses of coming

859
00:39:17,470 --> 00:39:14,810
to a skeptic on and the other thing that

860
00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:17,480
we'd like to say is this is a national

861
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:20,780
conference so if there are people out

862
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:24,590
there that tech savvy or have run web

863
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:27,830
conferences before please contact us

864
00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:33,260
email me at GCC skeptics at gmail.com

865
00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:37,460
that's GC skeptics at gmail.com mm-hmm

866
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,220
and just let us know if you're able to

867
00:39:45,070 --> 00:39:42,200
help out and what your experience is

868
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:45,080
because we're flying by the seat of our

869
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,740
pants at the moment and but we we we

870
00:39:52,210 --> 00:39:50,480
need some experienced people to try and

871
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:52,220
help us out so we can really deliver

872
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:54,530
something amazing well if there's one

873
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,850
thing I know about the worldwide

874
00:40:00,910 --> 00:39:58,160
skeptical community and listeners to

875
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:00,920
this podcast is they are so willing and

876
00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:03,470
able to help and they love to help so

877
00:40:06,970 --> 00:40:05,480
there is the message folks if you think

878
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:06,980
you can help out with a few technical

879
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:08,570
tips if you've run something like this

880
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,450
before an online convention please get

881
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:13,520
in contact with dr. Paul II and the Gold

882
00:40:16,060 --> 00:40:14,150
Coast

883
00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:16,070
skeptics now dr. Paul II where can

884
00:40:20,859 --> 00:40:17,660
people go to find out more information

885
00:40:25,570 --> 00:40:20,869
at the moment yep so we're making all

886
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:25,580
our announcements on skeptic on org a

887
00:40:33,099 --> 00:40:30,400
you so all all the announcements news

888
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:33,109
program all that sort of thing will be

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00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:35,450
posted on there

890
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:38,330
and we do share these to our Twitter and

891
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:42,890
Facebook accounts but the best is to go

892
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:46,460
to skeptic on organ a you that's what

893
00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:47,750
we'll do folks we'll have a look at

894
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,359
there and once again dr. Paul II I think

895
00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:52,640
by and large I think you've made a very

896
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:55,460
wise decision because better safe than

897
00:41:00,460 --> 00:40:57,890
sorry but again let's look at the bright

898
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:00,470
side and the chance for people all

899
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:02,930
around the world to to be sitting in the

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00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:04,790
audience so to speak on their own couch

901
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,500
while listening to some of the great

902
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:08,240
talks at an Australian skeptics

903
00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:09,890
convention and the bent spoon and all

904
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:11,660
that sort of fun stuff yeah and hey look

905
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:13,010
you don't even need to put your pants on

906
00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:30,350
this certainly is alright well there's a

907
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,420
news folks once again dr. poorly all the

908
00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:34,880
way there on the Gold Coast thank you

909
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,720
very much

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00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:38,400
thanks Richard

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[Music]

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Australian skeptics in the pub online a

913
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:51,619
talk by dr. Stephen Nicola

914
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,540
from pharmaceuticals to electrocute

915
00:41:59,900 --> 00:41:57,180
Eagles how zapping the brain can treat

916
00:42:02,990 --> 00:41:59,910
depression now this will be on Thursday

917
00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:03,000
the 4th of June at 7 p.m.

918
00:42:10,849 --> 00:42:06,750
Sydney time Stephen Nicola has a PhD

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00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:10,859
2019 in neuromodulation and the electro

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00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:14,070
physiology and is an early career

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researcher and based at the University

922
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:18,329
of New South Wales and the black dog

923
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:21,570
Institute as a nationally recognized

924
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:23,940
expert on the use of transcranial

925
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magnetic stimulation for depression he

926
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:28,740
has travelled and provided on-site

927
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,500
training to 21 public hospitals and

928
00:42:36,099 --> 00:42:33,660
private clinics in four Australian

929
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,109
states and territories and credentialed

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approximately 200 nurses and

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psychiatrists on the safe and effective

932
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:44,300
delivery of transcranial magnetic

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stimulation

934
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:49,810
this promises to be a fascinating talk

935
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:53,020
all online and for more information and

936
00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:55,930
how you can join in see the links in

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this week's show notes or visit

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[Music]

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now folks we we're a bit disappointed

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00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:18,859
lately because of all the things being

941
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:19,369
shut down

942
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,529
we can't attend things one of those

943
00:43:27,279 --> 00:43:24,319
things was the wonderful pint of science

944
00:43:29,319 --> 00:43:27,289
and pint of science is an annual event

945
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,329
where science communicators get together

946
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:32,240
have a nice pint of beer or a drink of

947
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:33,440
their choice and chat to people

948
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,500
generally in a pub and even this year I

949
00:43:40,059 --> 00:43:38,839
was asked to be a part of Pine and

950
00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:40,069
science which was looking forward to

951
00:43:46,509 --> 00:43:44,390
well the pandemic had other plans but

952
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:46,519
the pint of science people have put me

953
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:49,460
in touch with somebody who really taps

954
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:51,049
into something the skeptic zone and the

955
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:52,430
Australian skeptics have been very

956
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:54,500
interested in working on for many years

957
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which is vaccinations and maybe more

958
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:00,470
importantly vaccination myths joining me

959
00:44:05,799 --> 00:44:02,750
all the way from Melbourne we have ketch

960
00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:05,809
Fiona neuen Robinson from the Godfrey

961
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laboratory university of melbourne

962
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:09,230
department of microbiology and

963
00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:12,950
immunology what a mouthful it's a pretty

964
00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:17,420
long name and please tell me and now

965
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,680
listen it's just a little bit about

966
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:21,440
yourself and what you do there so I'm an

967
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:23,660
immunology student I'm studying our

968
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immune response to different bacteria

969
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:28,549
and in terms of infection especially the

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bacteria that causes tuberculosis and

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I'm also looking a little bit at skin

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allergy as well so how I mean system

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recognizes different things that cause

974
00:44:43,749 --> 00:44:41,480
allergy and how we can stop them from

975
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,759
doing that and I guess part of your

976
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:45,440
remit or part of the things you would

977
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,680
like to do since you were involved in

978
00:44:52,779 --> 00:44:50,720
pint of Science in one way or the other

979
00:44:54,849 --> 00:44:52,789
is to let people know let the public

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00:44:57,579 --> 00:44:54,859
know what you're doing yeah pretty much

981
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because a lot of what I do is is sort of

982
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what we call basic biology or basic

983
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,839
science and then it's sort of baby steps

984
00:45:06,789 --> 00:45:04,400
towards creating something that will

985
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:06,799
eventually translate into something in

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the clinic and I think it's important

987
00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:11,150
that people know that you know even that

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00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:14,420
science is important - absolutely well I

989
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:15,650
mean from our point of view of course

990
00:45:20,109 --> 00:45:18,470
all science is very important now and I

991
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:20,119
was just chatting to you a second ago

992
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because as we record as we record this

993
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into

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00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:28,810
you the news headline has come which

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says federal ministers flooded with an

996
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:34,150
unprecedented level of anti-vaccination

997
00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:36,970
mail vaccination opponents have flooded

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senior government ministers with an

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00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:41,500
unprecedented levels of correspondence

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as experts warn of new wave of skeptics

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00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:47,410
anxious about potential coronavirus

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00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:50,140
vaccine now this is a worry for us

1003
00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:52,600
because the anti-vaxxers have have used

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00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:55,000
exempt us have used our name skeptics

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00:45:58,890 --> 00:45:57,070
and we're really not very happy about

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00:46:01,200 --> 00:45:58,900
that we keep pleading with the media to

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call these people vaccination denies and

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00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:03,940
not vaccination skeptics be that as it

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may one of your interests of course is

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00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:09,640
the myths and the misunderstanding and

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00:46:15,570 --> 00:46:11,940
the misconceptions revolving around

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00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:15,580
vaccinations have you had much to do

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00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:18,310
with the the aunt the hardcore anti

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00:46:24,750 --> 00:46:21,010
vaccination list with the hardcore ones

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00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:24,760
I try and avoid having heated

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00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:28,750
conversations very wise very wise yes

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00:46:34,860 --> 00:46:32,680
sir I do try and educate people I guess

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about the immune system and what it does

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00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:39,010
and the point about vaccines but I try

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and stay clear of anything too heated

1021
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:45,340
and passionate I guess well look at that

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00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:47,650
I can understand that completely because

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it can be very hard indeed and people

1024
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:51,460
get very passionate you're absolutely

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00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:54,610
right but let's look at some of the well

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00:47:01,350 --> 00:46:57,970
the the more what can I say the standard

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00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:01,360
list of myths and misconceptions out

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00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:02,830
there now

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00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:05,740
here's an interesting one vaccinations

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is unnatural yeah you kind of come

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across that with with people saying you

1032
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:12,760
know this is basically just injecting

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00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:15,760
yourself with science and and it's it's

1034
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:18,010
really not a normal way to go about

1035
00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:20,250
fighting a disease but but really

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00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,580
vaccines use a person's natural immune

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00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,800
defenses to respond to disease so the

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00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:29,440
idea is to give you a small dose of the

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00:47:35,850 --> 00:47:33,540
bacterial or virus that the sort of

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00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:35,860
disarmed in a way so they're not able to

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00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:38,550
cause a full-blown infection but it

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00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:40,410
it's allowing your immune system to have

1043
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:42,360
the chance to remember it and build up

1044
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:45,030
an army to rapidly defend itself the

1045
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:47,610
next time that bacteria or virus try to

1046
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:50,220
infect you and actually going back in

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00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:52,740
thousands of years for the people who

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00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:54,990
kind of like to think more about natural

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00:48:00,380 --> 00:47:58,290
medicine the Brahmins in India so the

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00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,390
the medical medical practitioners in

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00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:03,440
India a long time ago they would just be

1052
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:06,540
scratching people and putting scabs

1053
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:10,500
infected snow on the scratches so that's

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00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:12,570
something that I guess you could kind of

1055
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:14,310
think of as natural medicine that is

1056
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:17,490
really sort of the baby steps towards

1057
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:20,220
what we think of vaccinations today yeah

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and I like the term you use the the

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viruses are disarmed that's a lovely

1060
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:31,500
analogy I really like that and well I

1061
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mean probably the biggest myth or

1062
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:35,760
misunderstanding that we face certainly

1063
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from the anti vaccination crowd is the

1064
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:40,730
blanket statement vaccinations are

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unsafe now from your point of view how

1066
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:47,550
would you counter that one well I think

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00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:49,470
it's important to clarify that that

1068
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:52,890
vaccines are tested for how well they

1069
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work and how safe they are so with any

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given drug treatment vaccine that comes

1071
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:02,370
out of a laboratory and before it

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00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,490
reaches the clinic or hospital its

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00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:08,880
tested on several people and then more

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and more and more escalating to make

1075
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:13,140
sure that it's safe in all of those

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00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,300
people before it even reaches market

1077
00:49:20,090 --> 00:49:18,000
with vaccines like any other any other

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00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:20,100
phonological product that comes out of

1079
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:21,540
Australia it has to pass stringent

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testing for safety by the therapeutic

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00:49:30,260 --> 00:49:27,600
goods association or the TGA and their

1082
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sample their regular regularly monitored

1083
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so it's not just when it comes out like

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even several months or years down the

1085
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:36,780
track they're always testing at their

1086
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:39,150
safe and effective and I mean sometimes

1087
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:41,940
they might produce undesired effects

1088
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:44,250
like you might have a song but that's

1089
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:46,110
actually a sign that your mean system is

1090
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,130
kicking in alright yeah my dear is to

1091
00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:51,420
generate inflammation which is why you

1092
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,230
have a saw

1093
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:54,480
around the area that you've been

1094
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:56,460
vaccinated there's an old saying in

1095
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:58,410
skeptical circles and you've probably

1096
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:01,800
come across homeopathy in your travels

1097
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:03,660
because another thing we've been

1098
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:06,420
fighting is is homeopathy because there

1099
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:07,830
are groups out there who say you can

1100
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:09,090
give your your baby

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00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:12,150
homeopathic vaccines and it has no side

1102
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:13,650
effects well of course the comeback is

1103
00:50:17,570 --> 00:50:15,900
well if something has no side effects it

1104
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:17,580
has no effects to begin with because

1105
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:20,100
it's just the way the body works but but

1106
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,930
getting back to these you know being

1107
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:22,800
unsafe

1108
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:24,510
another thing we hear all the times is

1109
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:26,910
and you see placards people walking with

1110
00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:28,770
these vaccinate vaccinations contain

1111
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:33,390
toxins additives foreign proteins and/or

1112
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:37,380
metals now what's the story they're all

1113
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,810
vaccines vary in their composition the

1114
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:42,720
idea is that you are giving as I said a

1115
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:46,560
disarmed bacteria or virus but it's not

1116
00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:50,250
just that um it could be parts of them

1117
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:52,670
it could be whole but you do need

1118
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:55,230
additives and things like that to keep

1119
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:57,000
it safe because once produced the

1120
00:51:00,590 --> 00:50:58,440
vaccines are sitting around in

1121
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:00,600
warehouses for a very long time right

1122
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:03,150
before they actually use so they do

1123
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,369
require additives to help stabilize them

1124
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:07,500
but those additives themselves are also

1125
00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:09,570
checked out by the therapeutics goods

1126
00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:12,260
association so they're checked as well

1127
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:15,840
and I guess another thing that people

1128
00:51:21,140 --> 00:51:17,910
can be concerned about in terms of the

1129
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:21,150
things that are added into vaccines for

1130
00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:24,030
example with the flu vaccine if you are

1131
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:25,859
allergic to eggs or chicken they do

1132
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,140
advise that you know you take that into

1133
00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:31,680
consideration because viruses can't grow

1134
00:51:36,380 --> 00:51:34,230
outside of cells so when we're producing

1135
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:36,390
viruses in a lab we do have to grow them

1136
00:51:42,590 --> 00:51:39,930
in cells and some virus vaccines are

1137
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:42,600
made in chicken eggs or cells no ma'am

1138
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:45,810
so just like a bar of not free chocolate

1139
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:48,359
my right may contain traces of nuts you

1140
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:50,430
know some vaccines may also contain

1141
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:53,609
traces of substances like egg yeah

1142
00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:55,170
that's an interesting point you know it

1143
00:52:00,080 --> 00:51:57,030
never crossed my mind that vaccines have

1144
00:52:02,380 --> 00:52:00,090
to sit somewhere being stored waiting

1145
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:02,390
for use and of course you know they can

1146
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:05,430
perish and they need to be maintained

1147
00:52:08,590 --> 00:52:06,110
it's a very good

1148
00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:08,600
point just like the pickles that you ate

1149
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:11,720
the pickles need to be preserved to be

1150
00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:13,910
preserved to baby pickles

1151
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:16,550
that's good point now one of the most

1152
00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:18,650
emotive ones well you know that really

1153
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:22,580
that stirs people is the the slogan that

1154
00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:25,010
vaccines have produced using aborted

1155
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:28,420
fetuses that's a rather heavy one hmm

1156
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,560
there has been concern about the

1157
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:33,200
morality of receiving vaccines when the

1158
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:37,070
virus is grown using fetal tissue so

1159
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:41,030
viruses do have to be grown in cells and

1160
00:52:48,070 --> 00:52:44,450
that's for long periods of time so some

1161
00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:48,080
cells that are used in the lab did

1162
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:51,020
originate from human fetal tissue and

1163
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:53,240
that was obtained from a couple of

1164
00:52:59,620 --> 00:52:56,090
elected elective abortions in the 1960s

1165
00:53:01,960 --> 00:52:59,630
quite some time ago but those abortions

1166
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:01,970
weren't done for the purpose of

1167
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,780
harvesting cells and no further fetal

1168
00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:08,000
tissue has been taken since writing

1169
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:11,240
since that time and while there might be

1170
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:13,490
objections on the basis of religion the

1171
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:15,470
Vatican did issue a statement a while

1172
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:17,510
ago saying that those kind of moral

1173
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:19,880
problems are negated if that otherwise

1174
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:24,110
danger to our health is outweighing that

1175
00:53:28,090 --> 00:53:26,450
yeah it's always the balancing act isn't

1176
00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:28,100
it I mean this is it's a very

1177
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:30,680
interesting philosophical Avenue we

1178
00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:33,530
could explore explore on a rabbit hole

1179
00:53:39,010 --> 00:53:36,380
in other words I'm ourselves that we do

1180
00:53:41,890 --> 00:53:39,020
use in a lab are actually some cancer

1181
00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:41,900
cells as opposed to fetal cells anyway

1182
00:53:47,770 --> 00:53:45,230
so we use eggs chicken eggs or we use

1183
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:47,780
some cancer cells as opposed to anything

1184
00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:50,330
from aborted tissue okay

1185
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,600
now here's an interesting one people who

1186
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:56,240
are vaccinated can still get the disease

1187
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,450
ah and another one is the flu shot we'll

1188
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:01,760
give you the flu but it's true I mean

1189
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:04,970
people who are vaccinated can still get

1190
00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:08,210
the disease yeah that's true vaccines

1191
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:11,780
aren't 100% effective and some people

1192
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:14,630
might be vaccinated and not generate a

1193
00:54:19,329 --> 00:54:16,910
great immune response and that's just

1194
00:54:21,579 --> 00:54:19,339
sort of individual specific

1195
00:54:23,890 --> 00:54:21,589
so for example I myself I was vaccinated

1196
00:54:26,799 --> 00:54:23,900
for hepatitis B when I was little and

1197
00:54:28,539 --> 00:54:26,809
they tested a couple of years ago

1198
00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:28,549
whether or not I was protected and I

1199
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,380
wasn't so I need to be vaccinated again

1200
00:54:37,269 --> 00:54:35,119
so some people for whatever underlying

1201
00:54:38,739 --> 00:54:37,279
genetic reason or it's something like

1202
00:54:40,269 --> 00:54:38,749
that they just can't develop a strong

1203
00:54:42,909 --> 00:54:40,279
immune response even if they do have a

1204
00:54:45,009 --> 00:54:42,919
vaccination but having said that just

1205
00:54:47,799 --> 00:54:45,019
because you might not have a good immune

1206
00:54:49,149 --> 00:54:47,809
response to one infection doesn't mean

1207
00:54:53,289 --> 00:54:49,159
that you're not protected against the

1208
00:54:56,289 --> 00:54:53,299
other hmm um I guess the flu is a very

1209
00:54:59,229 --> 00:54:56,299
good example in that you do need the

1210
00:55:00,939 --> 00:54:59,239
annual flu shot and even if you do get

1211
00:55:02,829 --> 00:55:00,949
it that doesn't guarantee that you don't

1212
00:55:06,609 --> 00:55:02,839
get the flu and that's just because the

1213
00:55:09,939 --> 00:55:06,619
influenza virus itself is very varied

1214
00:55:11,709 --> 00:55:09,949
right so even though you might be

1215
00:55:14,469 --> 00:55:11,719
protected against some strains of flu

1216
00:55:16,749 --> 00:55:14,479
there are others that your immune system

1217
00:55:18,909 --> 00:55:16,759
hasn't encountered before even with the

1218
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:18,919
vaccine so you might be infected with

1219
00:55:22,839 --> 00:55:20,390
those ones that slip through the cracks

1220
00:55:25,209 --> 00:55:22,849
and it's interesting what you say

1221
00:55:27,099 --> 00:55:25,219
because again we're getting back to what

1222
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:27,109
the anti-vaxxers say they'll march

1223
00:55:33,609 --> 00:55:30,169
around saying it's not 100% safe and

1224
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:33,619
effective well no one ever says you said

1225
00:55:40,359 --> 00:55:35,689
nobody ever says it was because nothing

1226
00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:40,369
is 100% safe and effective but it's the

1227
00:55:44,259 --> 00:55:42,289
sort of thing they'll use to say you

1228
00:55:45,999 --> 00:55:44,269
know any bad reactions you say well

1229
00:55:47,319 --> 00:55:46,009
obviously doesn't work look at this you

1230
00:55:49,509 --> 00:55:47,329
know you've got the sore arm or although

1231
00:55:51,189 --> 00:55:49,519
they will trump at the fact that and we

1232
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,199
can get on to the next myth they will

1233
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:53,599
trumpet the fact that vaccines cause

1234
00:56:01,059 --> 00:55:58,130
autism or in and/or inflammatory bowel

1235
00:56:03,729 --> 00:56:01,069
diseases and all sorts of awful things

1236
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:03,739
yeah well that theory or the link

1237
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:06,169
between vaccines and autism or

1238
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:07,609
inflammatory bowel disease that was

1239
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:11,839
posed by a group of researchers in 1998

1240
00:56:16,859 --> 00:56:13,609
or something like that it was last

1241
00:56:20,259 --> 00:56:16,869
century it's a good way to put it yes

1242
00:56:22,059 --> 00:56:20,269
but paper that was published that

1243
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:22,069
actually claimed that has since been

1244
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:24,890
retracted as the daughter and the theory

1245
00:56:29,290 --> 00:56:27,529
was sort of based on fraudulent kind of

1246
00:56:31,090 --> 00:56:29,300
research and

1247
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:31,100
there have been so many more studies

1248
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:34,130
lately that or more recently that show

1249
00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:36,230
that there is no link between vaccines

1250
00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:38,300
and autism all these other kind of

1251
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:41,600
diseases now you are involved in such

1252
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:43,550
interesting and important work and of

1253
00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:45,290
course if you ever want to pick the

1254
00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:48,590
brains of the Australian skeptics and

1255
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:50,060
we've got a lot of people who have been

1256
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:52,430
fighting these myths for many years you

1257
00:56:56,530 --> 00:56:54,110
know you know where to find us now so

1258
00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:56,540
that's really great and we of course are

1259
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:59,210
always at your disposal if you want to

1260
00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:01,490
find more information or pick our brains

1261
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:04,520
but wow what a what a treat it is to

1262
00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:06,770
chat to someone of a like mind someone

1263
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:08,830
interested in in the importance of

1264
00:57:14,430 --> 00:57:11,330
vaccination and immunization especially

1265
00:57:17,530 --> 00:57:14,440
in our current environment with the

1266
00:57:19,450 --> 00:57:17,540
pandemic and you've probably seen this

1267
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,460
yourself there are people already geared

1268
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:22,400
up to oppose and fight any vaccinations

1269
00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:24,440
that comes along for covert 19 we do

1270
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:26,780
live in a crazy world yeah I really

1271
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:30,140
can't believe how fast these conspiracy

1272
00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:31,790
theories around curve in nineteen have

1273
00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:34,070
been spreading it's basically been

1274
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:35,660
parallel to the amount of information

1275
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:37,880
we've been learning about them as well I

1276
00:57:42,070 --> 00:57:39,170
guess the more we learn the more

1277
00:57:43,450 --> 00:57:42,080
conspiracy theories are popping up yeah

1278
00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:43,460
yeah and I don't think we've seen

1279
00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:46,460
anything yet die and we live in

1280
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:49,100
interesting times well listen Catriona

1281
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:51,170
thank you so much for sparing some time

1282
00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:54,170
a fascinating dive into some of the

1283
00:57:59,180 --> 00:57:57,800
myths of vaccination but for now once

1284
00:58:15,960 --> 00:57:59,190
again thank you very much

1285
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:18,460
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1286
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:19,970
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1287
00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:21,890
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1290
00:59:27,069 --> 00:59:23,540
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1291
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:27,079
bought me the audio book of the skeptics

1292
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,510
guide to the universe so I'm having an

1293
00:59:36,339 --> 00:59:31,760
enormous amount of pleasure rereading

1294
00:59:38,770 --> 00:59:36,349
that so to speak so to speak I find I

1295
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,780
absorb information better when I hear it

1296
00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:41,359
as opposed to reading it and it's just

1297
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,750
reminded me what a what a wonderful book

1298
00:59:49,690 --> 00:59:46,880
it is and I would recommend that for any

1299
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:49,700
skeptic it belongs on your shelf in your

1300
00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:53,270
bookshelf alongside flim flam and the

1301
00:59:58,569 --> 00:59:56,140
demon haunted world it's a terrific book

1302
00:59:59,980 --> 00:59:58,579
coming up on next week's show we speak

1303
01:00:02,799 --> 00:59:59,990
to an old friend of mine Oh Loretta

1304
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:02,809
Marin known as the jelly bean lady she's

1305
01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:04,910
going to be talking about biofeedback

1306
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:07,430
machines bioresonance these zapping

1307
01:00:15,549 --> 01:00:10,730
machines that still plague Australian

1308
01:00:17,339 --> 01:00:15,559
society somebody say Easter Egg hmm

1309
01:00:19,539 --> 01:00:17,349
we'll have to find out but for this week

1310
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:19,549
mrs. Richard Saunders

1311
01:00:31,340 --> 01:00:27,660
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1325
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:07,370
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1326
01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:20,670
record okay so it's always a good idea

1327
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:24,040
to press record my goodness me look at

1328
01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:26,230
who has appeared on my screen out of

1329
01:01:28,890 --> 01:01:26,920
nowhere

1330
01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:28,900
it's the well-known skeptic himself Rob

1331
01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:32,200
Palmer hello Rob hello Richard I'm glad

1332
01:01:36,810 --> 01:01:35,500
to be here now well I've got you why

1333
01:01:38,190 --> 01:01:36,820
I've got you you're going to be my

1334
01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:38,200
guinea pig and then we're gonna talk

1335
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,820
about something else I think you're

1336
01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:42,160
gonna be my guinea pig for this week's

1337
01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:47,980
dye test - test - this for years and I

1338
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:49,900
always get it right every time it's

1339
01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:53,230
amazing Wow Wow well I'm shocked to hear

1340
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:55,360
that let's see if you can keep up your

1341
01:02:00,720 --> 01:01:59,200
100% success rate I have a ten sided die

1342
01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:00,730
and I think you know what I can hold

1343
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:02,380
that up to the camera for you look at

1344
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:07,570
that there you go you can verify like I

1345
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:09,190
can use that hang on let me find that

1346
01:02:18,090 --> 01:02:14,700
one here we go in my little box look at

1347
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:18,100
that oh that is so cool and where did

1348
01:02:23,850 --> 01:02:22,530
you get that I got that at Albuquerque

1349
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:23,860
Airport

1350
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,290
oh so that's pretty close to Roswell

1351
01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:28,480
yeah so you can see there's the alien

1352
01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:31,000
face we've gotta - the eyes are it's

1353
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:34,390
nuts one that's a wine that's the one -

1354
01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:39,310
is if I can find their own s3 I'm doing

1355
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:40,780
this backwards in the camera it's really

1356
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:46,690
way out - is to - UFOs and three is a

1357
01:02:54,810 --> 01:02:50,650
UFO and two alien eyes for is for alien

1358
01:02:57,810 --> 01:02:54,820
eyes five is for eyes and one UFO and

1359
01:03:02,310 --> 01:02:57,820
six are six alien eyes so we'll roll it

1360
01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:02,320
three times and before it lands what is

1361
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:04,780
your first psychic prediction or dumb

1362
01:03:13,070 --> 01:03:09,130
luck guess four roll number one for for

1363
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:13,080
sure for for sure for all right

1364
01:03:22,020 --> 01:03:16,720
that's incredible because it came up as

1365
01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:22,030
a one you know I mean I I can't believe

1366
01:03:24,450 --> 01:03:23,470
the first time I'm doing this live and I

1367
01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:24,460
get it wrong well sure

1368
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:27,580
get the next two room right what's your

1369
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:31,810
next next prediction also for our pretty

1370
01:03:35,810 --> 01:03:32,980
gorgeous we're seeing that into the

1371
01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:35,820
future with a little pretty right ooh

1372
01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:38,140
well you know all I can say is you're

1373
01:03:42,750 --> 01:03:40,420
getting closer because it's a three see

1374
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:42,760
all right it's a three you want even

1375
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:43,599
closer

1376
01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:45,730
well maybe everything's very far into

1377
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:47,230
the future I will definitely stick with

1378
01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:49,210
the fourth all right here we go last

1379
01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:52,440
time yeah that's interesting

1380
01:03:58,620 --> 01:03:55,990
it's trying for you but again we've

1381
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,630
landed on number three so today's

1382
01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:00,400
mystical night cannot believe the first

1383
01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:05,950
time that's what they call the skeptic

1384
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:07,420
effect you see when you do in a second

1385
01:04:12,329 --> 01:04:09,550
experiment with a set a sceptic a

1386
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:12,339
skeptic your psychic powers disappeared

1387
01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:13,990
today's winning numbers this week's

1388
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:16,510
winning numbers a 1 3 & 3 well I've got

1389
01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:18,609
you there Rob you took part in something

1390
01:04:21,450 --> 01:04:19,300
with them

1391
01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:21,460
your friend susan gerbic online you gave

1392
01:04:30,089 --> 01:04:25,150
her a talk or a lecture yes she has

1393
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:30,099
started her about time project and I was

1394
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:31,510
the guinea pig so I did the first

1395
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:33,580
presentation as a zoom presentation it

1396
01:04:37,950 --> 01:04:35,890
was about what's the harm and believing

1397
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:37,960
in psychics it's a basically an expanded

1398
01:04:43,710 --> 01:04:40,030
version of what I did at psych on last

1399
01:04:45,570 --> 01:04:43,720
year and it was about 30 35 minutes long

1400
01:04:47,339 --> 01:04:45,580
and then we had a nice QA we did it on

1401
01:04:50,310 --> 01:04:47,349
Zoom and she has uploaded it to YouTube

1402
01:04:54,210 --> 01:04:50,320
well and how can people discover that or

1403
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:54,220
look for that well I made a tiny URL to

1404
01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:55,510
make it easy I don't have to give you

1405
01:05:01,620 --> 01:04:57,369
the entire long string so it's

1406
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:01,630
tinyurl.com slash about time zero zero

1407
01:05:08,339 --> 01:05:03,550
chip that's easy to remember

1408
01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:08,349
tiny URL and then the the important part

1409
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:11,950
is about time after time zero zero two

1410
01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:14,530
zero zero two I'll will add a link in

1411
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:16,540
this week's show notes folks regard

1412
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:19,750
let's go and go and have a look and I

1413
01:05:24,210 --> 01:05:21,790
soon I hope maybe in the next couple of

1414
01:05:26,550 --> 01:05:24,220
weeks I'll be giving a talk on that same

1415
01:05:29,070 --> 01:05:26,560
platform of myself hosted by Oh

1416
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:29,080
fantastic Mik West just went today and

1417
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:30,670
his will be uploaded shortly and they

1418
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:32,320
had a nice chat all about conspiracy

1419
01:05:36,359 --> 01:05:33,960
theories and including of course the

1420
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:36,369
corona virus stuff that's going on right

1421
01:05:38,349 --> 01:05:36,710
now

1422
01:05:39,609 --> 01:05:38,359
excellent it probably happened in the

1423
01:05:41,770 --> 01:05:39,619
middle of the night my time but I'll

1424
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:41,780
certainly swing by and have a look Rob

1425
01:05:45,579 --> 01:05:43,190
power looking forward to it